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Enlighten's picture

Time to Import some new ideas

This may seem way out of line to many of the readers but I am going to stick my neck out and suggest that maybe, just maybe, it is time to import some "new" ideas on how things are done around here.

I just came back from the left coast, not the Peoples Republic of California but the state of Oregon.

While I take issue with much of the closed mindedness of the majority of Oregonians, I had to admire their singlemindedness when it comes to protecting the environment.

Here are a few "suggestions" from what I learned out there on the left coast:

1. Make the developer PROVE there is enough water to support what they want to build.

2. Make all development within the city limits High Density.

3. Have clearly definable city limits...that means an actual boundry and a LIMIT to how big (area wise) the city can go.

4. Have adequate social services. (I admit that the number of homeless people in Portland was astounding...but services are available to them when they need them.)

5. Enact land use laws the PROHIBIT the building of subdivisions outside of available service lines (water, sewer, gas, and so on)

I could go on but when you see what Newland has done in California you have to admit they want to do the same thing here and the City is inviting them in to do so.

How "we" do things is not working out too well, maybe it is time to be open to ideas from other places. If only York County was as pristine as the area around Portland.

And just please, let me add that in no way, shape, or form is the statement, "Then why don't you move there," appropriate. I am going to stay right here and begin to fight for any measure that will ensure humanity continues to exist here in South Carolina and not only on the left coast where the citizenry had the foresight to do something about the rampant development that was raping the countryside.

Time is almost up, do we just stand by and let the Catawba River become the most endangered river in the US instead of #13?

Time to put aside politics and work together to stop the madness...or are you still stewing about Al Gore and his Nobel Prize?

Gregg_Jocoy's picture

"I don't care how they do it up North"

seems to be an all-too-common response to suggestions from outside.

A solution might be getting involved with the York County Greens. A member of the local party, Bryan Smith is running for Fort Mill Town Council on a platform of "Protecting the past, planning for the future.", two things our elected officials, from local school board to county council, don't seem to get.

The Catawba River, our land and air, will all be here after we all are long gone. The trick is to make sure that we are all able to benefit from the nature God made available for us. These resources were not put here to make the rich even richer, but to sustain all of us.

The "common man" does understand the dilemma we face, but the filthy rich, with their homes in the Bahamas and villas in Greece, will just spend more time in their homes where the air is clean and the water is safe, sucking the lifeblood from our community to allow them access to the good life.

hoodornament asks what can be done about up-stream folks abusing the river. Perhaps...just perhaps, a part of the solution is for we here downstream to let the folks upstream know how their decisions impact us, and to be extra careful that we don't pollute for our neighbors downstream as well.

hoodornament's picture

Yet another rare agreement

Consideration of other ideas and points of view is never a bad thing. Even the left coast has good ideas every now and then.

Typcally our local leaders aren't up for that unless they can find a way to make it politically advantageous for themselves.

I will propose this question - not to argue your points - but to seek additional information. Regarding having enough water to support what you want to build. Absolutely, makes sense. The Catawba can only support so much and it's wayyyyyy down right now. Let's suppose York County adopts this thinking. It does absolutely no good if every entity up stream doesn't do the same thing.

So, what if Newland takes their project to somewhere up the creek? We still have the same amount of water coming out.

Does Portland tell people they cannot move into their fair city because they are full?

Just looking for practical answers to complex questions.

Enlighten's picture

From what I observed

The city officials in Portland make it difficult to build anything within the city limits that is not high density. There was an abundance of apartments and condos...very few single family homes. Most of the single family homes were build pre-WWII but even those homes had very small lots.

Right now Portland is experiencing a housing bust with projects that were $300,000 condos becoming rentals because they are not selling. The same thing is happening here with the single family homes.

The remarkable difference between our area and the portland area is that there really is no sprawl. There are suburbs like Beaverton but even in Beaverton the sprawl was contained. No big subdivisions but a ton of condos and apartments. If you want land you have to go about 15 miles outside of portland to do so. While I was there they were getting ready to vote on an even stricter "proposition" that will literally pull the rug out from under developers like Newland.

I agree that unless everyone using the Catawba agrees to the same stipulations then it will be all for naught. How sad that "we" are actually engaged in talks with people who want to pull water out of the Catawba then announce they want to build a water park. Insanity at its best.

Glad we can agree sometimes.

hoodornament's picture

Advantages of high density

Obviously, I am not an "Urban Engineer".

If the concern is over taking water out of the basin, it would seem that high density devlopment would actually allow for more water out, not less.

Is the advantage that the cost of carrying that water back and forth is much cheaper with high density?

The whole Kannapolis/Concord thing is crazy. Allowing them to withraw water period is bad enough, but not returning any to the basin is criminal.

Enlighten's picture

High Density

What I believe is an asset is not allowing anymore suburban sprawl.

When does common sense come in? Do we want to end up like that town in TN that only has water 3 hours a day.

I am sick and tired of developers going on their merry way...just yesterday I watched as a major subdivision planted new trees and shrubs, where is the water coming from to water the new trees and shrubs. This subdivision is in the city, why is the city allowing this?

I went through Meadow Lakes II early last weekend and they were watering the road...look around, how many people still have those green green lawns? A Bunch! (and have you noticed the chemical induced sickly green color?)

I want the city of rock hill to have the intestinal fortitude to say we will not build another house in the city of Rock Hill.

How much longer will the water last? Only God knows.

I guess it is easier to hide your head in the sand and raise money for the museum of Life and the Environment than to actually do something profound like stopping the rampant destruction of our collective environment.

Enlighten's picture

Wise Words

Right in the Herald today.

How about it City of Rock Hill, no more new water hookups till the water table is restored? Good idea? Great Idea, Smart Idea.

Will our fearless leaders be willing and able to say NO MORE WATER HOOKUPS UNTIL THE DROUGHT IS DECLARED OVER.

I can't believe I am the only one who saw and understood the pictures on the front page of the paper today.

Is there anyone out there?

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