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Darin's picture

OTA Day 6, Hackett back

-- So the knee swelling that kept WR D.J. Hackett off the field the last two days was apparently minor, since he was back out there today. He said he just took a few days to make sure it didn't get worse, icing it down.

Of course, the temperature keeps ramping up out here, so ice isn't the worst idea. If they're trying to gradually get these guys ready for Spartanburg, they're getting cooperation from the weather.

-- Don't turn your back on QB Jake Delhomme, ever. The guy can't leave well enough alone, constantly picking at people, the more juvenile, the better. Wednesday's victim was safeties coach Mike Gillhamer, when Delhomme got him with the old step-on-the-back-of-your shoe routine. The coach came completely out of his shoe with that one, while Delhomme walked off giggling.

The quarterback's the leader on the field, but Delhomme might be the king of the pranksters here as well.

-- Don't think for a minute the Panthers aren't serious about keeping someone for kickoff duty alone. Both K Rhys Lloyd and rookie P Dan Zeidman have worked on it, and have plenty of leg.

bb_matthews2002's picture

Moore/Basanez - Procton logic is flawed.

Moore started 3 more games than Basanez. Ran up about an 81-point rating or something close to it in those 3 games. When you say Moore is "totally unproven", he is no more "totally unproven" than Basanez.

I know the argument about Moore playing late in the season against back-ups, but he plays against pros whether they be 2nd string or not, he plays against professional defensive coordinators and teams that want to win.

Your argument has little foundation in the facts. For both back up QBs, the sampling of pro games is small (Basanez=non-existent). But Moore showed some poise in his rookie outing. When you say "totally unproven" you must have been watching some other team.

Rookie, yes; totally unproven, no.

bb_matthews2002's picture

This is stupid.

I just looked up Countdown Clock on the web, and as of this writing, there are 59 days and some 13+ hours before the start of the Hall of Fame Game. Obsession.

I guess it beats drugs or booze.

Is it possible

Is it possible that Kasay could be on his way out? Can any of these other guys kick field goals well enough to be a replacement? I know there will be people to flame me for mentioning the possibility but everybody has to retire sometime and John Kasay has been around for a long time.

I will never understand how a kicker can kick a 50+ yard FG with a one step approach but can't kick the ball past the 10yd line with a running start.

Michaelprocton's picture

Yes

Lloyd is a quality player, beyond doing kickoffs. Kasay won't lose his job until he's ready to be done, but Lloyd is signed through the end of next year, and he could be our top PK as of September '09.

bb_matthews2002's picture

No flame

It's a head-scratcher with Kasay. Eventually his body will betray him. It will be a sad day when he retires, because he is the glue for a few guys there, including Steve Smith. But what's more, on his own, he has been the consummate professional, and leadership example of class. I hope he surprises everyone and kicks like thunder on kickoffs. He came close last year (or year before?) to kicking a 60-yarder against New Orleans.

Michaelprocton's picture

Good news...

I'm glad Hackett is feeling better, and I'm also glad Lloyd continues to work his kickoffs before an eventual transition to placekicking. I've said it before, but the Ravens were none too happy when we stole him from their practice squad stash. The extra 10+ yards on KOs is absolutely worth a roster spot.

For once, I agree

I think the difference is more than 10 yards, though. Any time a return occurs, there's a chance of a TD, especially against a Danny Crossman-coached kickoff team. Lloyd will cut down that probability by quite a lot.

Michaelprocton's picture

Not to get technical...

But: a. that's why I said 10+, and b. We've never allowed a KR TD under Crossman. Our coverage has remained pretty solid under him, as well as the performance of the kickers, we've just struggled with our own returns.

Hmm

Word out of OTA's is Lloyd has been missing FG's betweeen 25 and 35 yards. That's pretty solid.

That's what I've heard about Lloyd...that he's got a strong leg and can nail 50+ yard FG's, but he's inaccurate and struggles with the easy ones. Procton you are a stat guy, go look up his NFL Europe stats and tell me what you see.
So is the only thing that impresses you so much about Lloyd the fact that Baltimore was really sad to see him go? Because if that is how you decide your favorite Panthers (which I've noticed there are only 1 or 2 you like), then you shouldn't have the drooling serial killer hatred of Matt Moore that you do...Cowboys were pretty sad to see him go too!

Michaelprocton's picture

NFL Europe stats are

NFL Europe stats are basically impossible to find since the league folded, but here's what I can tell you.

Lloyd went 16-24 last year, including 28-28 PATs (hardly lends credence about struggling with easy ones.) Among his misses were 30, 45, 47, 47, 47, 47. Seems like misses a lot of kickers miss, but he's incredible on kickoffs, and hit multiple 50+ kicks, including a 56-yarder that tied a league record. I like him because he's a good kicker. That idea is SUPPORTED by the notion that the Ravens were upset to lose him, not CREATED by it.

As for Panthers I like: Delhomme, Basanez, Hoover, Goings, King, Rosario, Smith, Hackett, Ryne Robinson Gross(@RT much more so than LT), Bridges, Kalil, Chris Harris, Gamble, Lucas, Marshall, Beason, Landon Johnson, Kemoeatu, Brayton, McClover, Charles Johnson.

The fact I don't drool all over the mediocre and inconsistent Peppers and the totally unproven Moore, though, apparently means that I don't like anybody on the team.

Richard Marshall?

Did you really mean to include Marshall on your list? Because I've seen you bash him many, many times on a certain other website...

Michaelprocton's picture

No, never bashed him...

But I've certainly pointed out that his tackling skills can at times be just as bad as Gamble's supposedly are.

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