Gore's challenge for America

Have you really LISTENED to the man??

daughter of promise

You actually said, "First of all, I honestly believe that Al Gore is a pompous, arrogant, self-serving blowhard." You of all the people around should know one of those when you see one!

Boo Boo stick your head in

Crap, this is really getting stupid Benny. If we tell them they are right maybe we can recruit more sensible people for real debate. I am growing weary of all the Bible told me so's around here.

Have a nice day

using the "Takes one to know one" stance.

I guess that leaves me with no choice but to use the "I'm rubber, you're glue" rebuttal.

Benny, if the top of your game is no better than "Liar, liar, pants on fire", I'm afraid that I may need to tag you with persona non grata status.

You are entitled to your opinion. You have the fredom to express that here. But seriously, I don't think I've seen a rational argument from you yet. The only post I've seen that was rational was this morning's "Reply" to wanda's "Serious Note".

From all your posts you've made it clear that you have nothing but disdain for anyone and anything Christian, conservative and Republican. No doubt if I said it was hot today, you would call me a fascist pig who is to blame for the global warming because I helped George Bush steal not one, but two elections.

The very definition of "rant" is "To speak or write in an angry or violent manner". Your posts are all rant and void of substance.

I know there has to be cohesive thought, but when it passes through the filter of hate against God; hate against Christians; hate against conservatives; hate against anyone that you deem has done you wrong - the cohesiveness evaporates and it just comes across as a childish rant.

I know you don't consider me a friend, but if we were friends, I would tell you this out of friendship because you're just not helping yourself. If I were interested in just proving my point, I would say nothing and let you continue as is.

Just because you can't follow a line of reasoning doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Your comment on Gore was certainly erudite. I think I gave you a proper response in kind.

Gee, you figure out I don't like conservatves. So perceptive of you. Funny, you don't mention all the name calling you have left behind on these pages about liberals.

Don't you worry about me because my reasoning will stand against your desire to control others. And look, nothing I support is calling for others to die. That is your side.

You hang in there and if you read real slow maybe you can catch on!

Benny

Here is your entire post:

"You actually said, "First of all, I honestly believe that Al Gore is a pompous, arrogant, self-serving blowhard." You of all the people around should know one of those when you see one!"

What line of reasoning is that?

Yes, I called Algore all those wonderful names, but I believe that is where the name-calling from me begins and ends.
Please feel free to cite any name-calling references and I'll be happy to redress.

As far as my comments being "erudite" - Thank you for saying so. After all, the definition is "having or showing a lot of knowledge of specialized subjects".

Perhaps you were trying to get too fancy for your britches and used a closely related Latin "rudis". Or maybe you were simply acknowledging my well-thought out description of the man.

As far as nothing you support causing anyone to die. OK - let's leave out the "a" word because you do not acknowledge those as human (although DNA would bear you out differently).

Does that mean you support no military action any where?

What is your take on Iran - who repeatedly ignore UN calls to stop enriching uranium for weapons; whose leader said this week that the US wss "going down". Did you take that to mean in the Clintonian way or the "he wants us all to die" way?

And please, feel free to start using this "line of reasoning" you keep referring to. I'm sure I'll recognize it when I see it.

You wrote: As far as my comments being "erudite" - Thank you for saying so. After all, the definition is "having or showing a lot of knowledge of specialized subjects

Can you say sarcasm!

You wrote: What is your take on Iran - who repeatedly ignore UN calls to stop enriching uranium for weapons; whose leader said this week that the US wss "going down". Did you take that to mean in the Clintonian way or the "he wants us all to die" way?
Why would you decide how I would take it. I don't like the Iranians. I don't particularly want to kill them. I've said earlier that I believe in self defense. However, nothing about Iraq qualifies as self-defense. Iran is another trouble spot, so is North Korea and Darfur, China, and many more. So, do you want to kill them all?

What is the Clintonian way?

BTW, I served in the military for 4 years. You?

Benny

Sarcasm is a form of wit - I haven't seen that displayed in any of your posts - same STILL goes for reasoning.

You said that everything you support doesn't get anyone killed. I'm asking your opinion on Iran to see what you would do - a hypothetical scenario, if you will. I do not support military action against Iran unless they provoke it against us or one of our allies.

I don't want to kill any of the groups that you mention or anyone else for that matter, so stop trying to put words into my keyboard. I know that's one of your strategies - post something as if I had said it and maybe it makes it true. Sorry, I never have.

In fact, I am very outspoken against war unless it is justified. It's easy to be an armchair quarterback and say going into Iraq was not justified. At the time, most people thought it was justified. Based on what we've learned since then, I can say that the justification was false, too. But we're there. Rushing out would undo the good that has been done.

Have you ever supported any military action? Did anyone die?

Again, you said "nothing I support is calling for others to die". That means no military action ever. But that could lead to more attacks on US soil - which would cause others to die. Kind of a Catch-22, isn't it?

What difference does it make if I served or not? Am I not entitled to an opinion unless I served?

So, now I'm waiting for sarcasm and reasoning. Maybe enlighten can tutor you in both. Perhaps she can explain the Clintonian reference as well. It's called a double-entendre.

Which war to you call justified. Was/is Iraq justified.

I said I believe in self-defense. that means I believe you have the right to ptotect your life. I don't see how that is advocating killing.

You suppose a lot. How do you know that only military action can stop another attack. Good police work could easily have prevented 911! At the time I did not advocate going into Iraq. Neither did Barak Obama or most of the world. Remember us begging the UN for authority to fight the war. No other country in the world supported us at the time other than Britain (Tony Blair paid for that) and a few little countries wanting to suck up. Once again you state "most people" with no factual reason for the statement. Your circle of conservatives do not a "most" people make.

Benny

As to serving it makes a lot of difference to me if you advocate others to fight for you. I don't know if that is true, so I am asking. Did you and do you support the Iraq invasion? If so, and you haven't served, I tdo think very little of that position. My own opinion, of course, but I paid with time for it.

First point - you said "nothing I support is calling for others to die". Then you say "I believe in self-defense". If someone dies - even in the act of self-defense, that is still called "killing".

You take this extremely generic viewpoint that you don't support things calling for others to die. Sounds like you're this extreme pacifist who never condones any action resulting in someone's death. I don't think that's what you intendd, but if you haven't noticed on the board - words matter. The words you use and how you use them. Goes back to an earlier post from Wanda about your writing style. I'm not making any allusions to your intellectual capacity - I'm just advising you to be clear in what you write because that's all we have to base our responses upon.

Now, on to your revisionism.

You dispute my claim that "most" people supported the war at the time except for Bush, Blair and a few "suck-up" little countries.

Facts:

77% of the Senate and 69% of the House voted in favor of the Iraq War Resolution. As a point of clarification, Barack Obama may have been opposed, but he was not a member of the Senate at the time of the vote.

In a Washington Post/ABC News poll right before the war started, 66% of those polled favored military action; 63% indicated that th administration had provided enough evidence to support the war.

By "suck up" countries, do you mean Afghanistan, Australia, France, Canada, Colombia, Greece, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Kuwait, Saudia Arabia, S. Korea, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Portugl, Poland, Phillipines and New Zealand in addition to the United Kingdom and the US? All these countries have been a part of the coalition at one point or another.

So, I hardly think this was just my "circle of conservatives" in favor of this war back in 2003.

Saddam Hussein had also repeatedly violated UN orders to allow weapon inspectors access to facilities. Hans Blix, UN Executive Chairman of weapons inspection said right before the war that they had not found a "smoking gun", but that he could not guarantee the weapons did not exist because they had been denied access. Hussein could have avoided this war easily by cooperating with the UN - which he choose not to do.

Again, easy to play armchair quarterback now and say we should not have gone in. Also easy to say, we should have never stopped in 1991 - we should have finished the job in Iraq when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

To your final question.

I did support the War in Iraq in 2003. To me, that war is over and we are attempting to stabilize that country so that they can take over their own destiny. It may have been a mistake to have gone in, but it would be a bigger mistake to leave prematurely.

Now, I find it curious that you say "If so, and you haven't served, I tdo think very little of that position.". So, because I have not actually been in the military, my opinion of the use of US forces should be silenced? So, it would stand to reason that any one else who had not served - their opinion doesn't matter? Say, for example, Barack Obama.

Last I checked this was still America and the First Amendment was alive and well.

Again, for your own sake, please proof-read your words and make sure that the meaning that you intended is coming across.

Still waiting on reasoning. Try to focus on that one. Sarcasm can come later.

most countries around the world were against us invading Iraq except Poland and England. The French were vehmently opposed to us doing so and we ignored the directives of the UN which begged us to let the inspectors do their job.

Most of the senate and house members that supported the action then will admit that they were fed lie after lie by Bush and Cheney and Colin Powell and that is what led to their support.

We have no business in Iraq. No Iraqis attacked us EVER. Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, they were not hiding Al Quida (spelling) members knowingly, and while I agree Sadam Hussien was a bad guy, we helped put him in power (with the British) and have no business fighting in a civil war between the various religious factions.

Once again a Theocracy is in turmoil...anyone beginning to see a trend here. So why is it some of us want one here?

Just some thoughts Hood. Defending Bush is going to be really tough...they are once again debating impeachment and I would think that if they can get him under oath then they will have him. Worked before.

Doesn't make sense at this stage. What you will probably see in 2009 is a stronger majority for Democrats in both houses (unfortunately) that uses their newfound power to hold hearings.

Now, if they're after the TRUTH, then I'm in favor of that. Would be hypocritical of me to say otherwise. If they're on a witch hunt, then that's another story.

As I've said previously, I would not be shocked off my rocker to learn Cheney and/or Rumsfeld and/or Rove manipulated evidence to lead us to war. I need more than speculation. I need more than what they said was false. Did they deliberately mislead us into war? Did they know the truth and keep it hidden?

The day the war started, 30 countries had pledged their support to the coalition. Another 15 agreed to provide assistance, over-flight rights, etc.., but did not want to publicly declare support.

No, when you say "most" countries, you are correct. There are approximately 194 countries in the world. So, yes, most countries did not support the war.

When I said that "most people" thought it was justified, I was referring to here in the States (sorry for not being more clear with my words). I have presented evidence that holds that out to be true. Was the information used to make that decision inaccurate? Of course. My point was "at the time a decision was made".

At the time a decision was made. OK I will give you that one. The entire country was in shock and awe and boy oh boy did Bush/Cheney/Rove play that one to the hilt.

We (the US) were begged over and over by UN delegates to not invade, to let the inspections proceed but that did not happen.

The 30 countries evaporated pretty quickly when we got to Bagdad. Even Bush the 1st knew better than to go to far into Iraq and now we are on the brink of war with Iran? How far away is Bush from declaring marshall law right here? Do you trust him not too?

I still don't believe "most people" thought invading Iraq was justified. I was all for going into Afghanistan to find Bin Ladin. Sadly, it was Saudi Arabians who attacked us and what did Bush do? He flew the entire family out of OUR country so that they would not be in harms way during a time when no air traffic (supposedly) was allowed.

Defending our actions in Iraq is going to be hard, if not impossible.

Mike, don't understand your comment about allowing the inspectors to proceed. They were pulled out before they could complete their investigation.

PS, You are right, may never see an impeachment hearing but what also won't be seen is those blanket pardons bush is gearing up for. Not going to happen this time. I truly believe that if you do the crime (treason) you should do the time. (Do we still hang them?) Now there's a public execution I would attend.

Seems like they were doing a pretty poor job of getting that job done.
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Always remember...don't let FACTS get in the way of your argument...

Now Benny......play nicely

daughter of promise

Nope

Wouldn't want to keep Wanda waiting. Bless her heart.

Ok, first off why oh why is it ok to endorse the swift boat king and not Gore?

And now for my response to your post.

"With that being said, just because the messenger is a hypocritical, egotistical maniac, does not necessarily mean the message does not have value."

And the Lord said: "let there be Light and let the Light poor forth from the mouth of Gore and enter into the brain of Hood." God truly works in strange and mysterious ways.

Funny, but I feel the same way about T.Boone. Swiftboat funding liar that he is, he has come up with a way to charge for wind produced energy and he has a good idea. I am all for it.

I won't go into the character assisination towards ol' T.Boone like you did to Gore simply because it really serves no purpose. Black, White, Republican, Democrats, Muslim, Jew, Christian and Aethist all need clean air and water. A clean food supply would be nice to so to attack the messenger like you did with Gore (me thinks you are jealous of his superior intelligence, which seems to be lacking in the Republican right party. Frankly, I would much rather have Free, Benny, and BK on my side than Wanda and Axel but hey, you made your choice.)

Your thoughts on a new American Industrial Revolution are great! I am all for it and I hope that this revolution will include a living wage for a job well done. I am sick to death of hearing that Americans don't want to work. I want to work but have "overqualified" myself right out of the workforce. Maybe I can do lawncare?

Tossing me a bone? Oh heck, never mind, here, let me toss it back.

The bottom line is this: How we live is not sustainable. We can no longer expect to live in a 6000 square foot house, heated and cooled, drive an 8mpg suv and send our kids to private school on the backs of the rest of the world. We have to contribute to our own survival and we have to do it soon.

Too bad nobody listened to Carter...just think how far ahead of the game we would be but no use crying over spilt milk. right?

Enhancing National Security? Impeaching Bush and Cheney would go a long way towards enhancing our security.

Oh, by the way...your hatred of Gore is very unChristian-like. Sorry but I had to point that out.

Have a blessed day and say hey to Wanda and Axel for me.

Seems that Benny has been able to perpetuate his groupthink process upon my dear friend enlighten.

As much as you've complained about the lack of discussion of "serious" issues and I put out an olive branch on something I really believe we may be close on, you snap it in two and throw it back.

Sure, I was pretty rough on Algore, but he does, after all, deserve it. I mean he is the one that is to blame for George Bush being president. If he couldn't win following the greatest president we have ever known (begin playing "kneel to the chief", I mean "hail to the chief"), then what kind of person must he be? I mean he lost to George Bush, for goodness sakes. The biggest loser, cheater, lier of all time. And Gore lost to him.

BTW, I do not hate Algore. I simply have no respect or trust. Not un-Christian at all.

I thought that you wanted to have a serious discussion regarding energy policy and our environment. Guess I was wrong.

You want to hang out with the likes of Benny, then be my guess. Seems like some real issues there. But I'm not judging - I'm just saying.

You certainly have been emboldened by your new friend Wanda.

While I tend to agree with much that Benny has said, when have I needed Benny to speak for me?

Too many liberals showing up for you two?

Then you throw insults and cry foul when I throw them back?

Just once I would like to have a discussion with out Jesus, the Bible, or Abortion and Man's dominion over the earth coming up.

Wanda needs to get a life or go sit with a few more dying patients compassionately using her hospice training and her degrees. If she taught school I pity her pupils, must have been one of those private christians schools where you don't actually have to have a real teaching certificate.

Like I have stated over and over and over again, the way HUMAN BEINGS abuse the earth, especially Americans and Europeans (do we see a trend here) is NOT sustainable.

Want real solutions from me: Here goes!

Mandate all new construction to be energy efficient with each home producing its own power through passive, solar, and wind technologies available RIGHT NOW.

Outlaw the suburbanization of this country, stop the Dave Lyle Extention. Stop pumping water out of the Catawba and outlaw SUVS.

Take all 4 lane highways and roads and turn the right hand lanes into bicycle lanes.

Now I am just throwing out ideas and yes, the rich should pay their fair share and they don't. But go ahead and throw insults at me and Benny and then pretend that you don't (or are you just forgiven?)

And now Wanda can go off on another tangent, calling names and thumping her bible.

Give me a break. Oh, by the way, Gore is a nobel prize winner. Name the last republican to win one? I can't.

PS I hear the resolution in San Fransico passed. Go visit the George W. Bush Sewage Treatment Plant when you visit. LOL

Well said Enlighten!

Saying that you were starting to sound like benny was extremely low and uncalled for.

Please accept my apologies.

Hoodie, I am feeling the love!

Benny

En, I do not like Al Gore but that does not mean that I hate him -- but I do not trust him either. Being Christian does not mean you can not tell the truth and state your opinions. Gore is a snake oil saleman (like Obama). I would not trust either of them with ideas about anything any more than I would trust Teddy Kennedy to give me driving lessons over the Chappaquiddick.

This site is supposed to be a venue for intelligent discourse. Why must you and Benny Boy make it into a juvenile "yes it is -- No it ain't" bickering party?

I do have to comment on one terribly erroneous statement that you made. Obviously you are badly misinformed about who mays the most in taxes. You said: "The bottom line is this: How we live is not sustainable. We can no longer expect to live in a 6000 square foot house, heated and cooled, drive an 8mpg suv and send our kids to private school on the backs of the rest of the world. We have to contribute to our own survival and we have to do it soon."

Dear En, my child. The top 10% of incomes(that's the wealthiest people)pay 80% of the entire tax bill in this country. The bottom 20%(who are the poorest people) pay less that 2% of the tax base -- less than TWO PERCENT! Wealthy people do pay their taxes -- and those taxes support the truly less fortunate, along with some non-deserving people.

So, there certainly is a problem with the tax base. Some of us are tired of footing the bill for welfare, medicaid, and food stamps for too many folks who do not deserve to collect such benefits. Why struggle to earn your way when someone will pay the bill for you? Free rides take away a person's pride in earning their own way.

You said you want to work but have "overqualified" yourself right out of the workforce. That's a lame excuse for not working for a living. Only physical disability is a valid reason for not working. So, who is keeping you up? Is it my hard earned tax dollars??

No one in my family is without a job. Some of us may not have the job that we want -- but we are not above working for a living. heck, at times, we have held second and third jobs to pay the bills. Here's an idea: Can you say, "Do you want fries with that?" There's a change you can live with.

Better get used to having less if Obama is elected. After his socialist policies kick in and he has "redistributed the wealth" you can bet that none of it is coming your way.
Talk about stepping on the backs of the working class. Wake up and smell the snake oil.

daughter of promise

You make assumptions. For your information I do work, have never collected food stamps or welfare but don't judge people who do. Most people want to work but there really are no jobs right now.

You really are arrogant, I feel sorry for you and will continue to pray for you and all others like you who smuggly think that their way of life will continue.

I would hate to be your "client" sitting there and having to ask YOU for help while you hate the welfare recipients and food stamps grabbers.

Hear's an idea for you: Can you say "Dear Jesus forgive me?" Can you say: "Dear God, I have thrown insults and lies to show my superior intelligence and I have been full of pride over my possessions."

Can you say: I have no job and my kids are hungry? No, not you white lady with the suv. How's that for assumptions. I will not sit back and let people like you continue to dictate and mandate what YOU THINK is right.

Your goal is to be that top 1 percent - keep dreaming cause they don't want you, you just ain't got enough money honey. Can you say, I have sinned against you dear God?

I think you just about have covered the seven deadly sins! Oh right, you are forgiven. My bad.

I made no assumptions here, but replied to what you said. You said in your own posting that you are no longer in the work force because you are over-qualified. If that is not true, then why did you say it?? Obviously, I have stepped on your toes a bit.

I do believe that most people truly want to work -- and the desirable job market is slim. Hopefully, the welfare reforms that have been put into place will help welfare recipients become gainfully employed and less of a burden on society. Welfare / food stamps should be a temporary assistance -- not a permanent way of life. Efforts have been made to effect that result over the past few years.

Aid and assistance is being wasted by those who do not always deserve it because they have found ways to "beat the system." This is thievery that diminishes available funds and takes away aid and assistance from those folks out there who do truly deserve help through no fault of their own. The handicapped, disabled, and elderly who can not possibly be gainfully employed are the deserving folks in our population who actually need the help of their fellow citizens. Children who have been neglected or abandoned by their parental units deserve assistance.

I am offended by your arrogant racist bigotry that continues to prevail in your posts.

You said: "Can you say: I have no job and my kids are hungry? No, not you white lady with the suv."

You make a lot of assumptions, don't you? Why would it bother you so much IF I were white and drive an SUV? What if I told you that I'm not white and that I don't drive an SUV? Would that make a difference to you, somehow?

You said: "I feel sorry for you and will continue to pray for you and all others like you who smuggly think that their way of life will continue."

Madame, I am mortally afraid that people like you will get their way in government and not allow anyone's way of life to continue as it is now. We are on the edge of a slippery slope because of far left ideology.

Why would you think that I "hate" welfare recipients?? That's an absurd statement. It's just that my parents, who were factory workers and came up the hard way, taught me from that old addage: "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime." I just think that our government has given away far too many fish over the years from someone else's fishing hole. The government is PEOPLE -- it is the citizenry of this country. To expect governement assistance in any form is to expect tax-payers to assist.

Why should it be the government's responsibility to pay for anyone's food, clothing, shelter, or medical care?? Why should you be expected to pay for my upkeep?? What happened to fending for oneself and seeking to eke out one's own support. What is wrong with expecting everyone to be responsible for the consequences of their actions?

We have allowed for the creation of dependency in this country. Too many people are caught in a generational cycle of seeing the government as their parents and as totally responsible for their lifelong support. This is just plain wrong.

To illustrate: A caterpillar could never emerge from its cocoon as a healthy butterfly without being allowed to go through the struggle first. When too much assistance is given to the caterpillar to help get it out of its tight spot, it falls to the side and becomes crippled, unable to fly or survive on its own. We can learn a valuable lesson from nature.

No, my goal is not to be in the top 1% -- lots of money would be great, but unless it falls from the sky, that's something that is never likely to occur to me or mine. My profession is not one that pays an exorbitant salary. Like all people in helping professions, we do not enter into our chosen fields because we are out to make big bucks. Most of us do what we do because we do care enough to genuinely want to see positive change effected and not just talk the talk. Police officers, firemen, school teachers and social workers have some of the most demanding jobs there are -- and yet they are appreciated the least by those that they are appointed to serve. We do our jobs not for the monetary rewards (cause believe me, there aren't any) but for the rewards that come from serving our fellow man. The accolades are few, but the personal rewards are many.

No, I have never had to say that my kids are hungry. There but for the grace of God go I. There were times that we may not have had quite what we wanted, but we survived as cheaply as we could -- to get by, pay the bills, keep a roof over our heads, and keep from starving. We ate a lot of tomato soup. I remember many days of beans and rice -- but none of us are any worse for it. I remember my husband working night shift and going to school first shift so that we could have a better life and pay our own way. We scrimped and saved and we did without some luxuries. We did not even know about medicaid or government assistance when our kids were born -- we just assumed that we had no choice but to pay for our own medical care and to support our own children -- so we managed the bills in installments to the hospital, doctor, etc. the way that we should have. I guess it's just not popular anymore or politically correct to take responsibility for self and family.

But, hey! I am flattered that you think I have superior intelligence....never expected such a compliment from you; maybe it was just a Freudian slip -- no wait -- for you, a Darwinian slip. But, I'm curious -- you mentioned pride in my possessions. To what possessions do you refer? Have you been peeking in my windows??

God bless you real good. Truly, I mean it.

daughter of promise

You must be living on some other universe if you truly believe that most the people on welfare and foodstamps really want to work!!

I have gone on several ride alongs with several different police departments to the areas that house welfare/food stamp recipients. They all drive expensive(and I mean expensive cars) however their homes are falling apart and their children are running around with rags and no shoes!! They are living on welfare and foodstamps with no jobs and spitting out new babies even though they cannot afford the ones they have. Taxpayers are already paying for the ones they have.

The welfare system is set up so the people are better off staying on then getting off. I am all for helping someone when they are down and out. I am not however wanting to help someone (NO MATTER THEIR SKIN COLOR) when they choose not to help themselves.

When I first moved here 16 years ago I applied for all the programs through welfare. I had a vehicle and thank god it fell under the small value it did otherwise I would have had to sell it and live on that money first before I could get any help. That makes alot of sense take away my only means of getting a job so I don't have to be on welfare. I got my first month of help then cancelled because I went and got a job. The first year the only help I received was paid child care so I could get on my feet. Then the second year they paid a small percentage to my child care. The third year I was on my own. I used the system to better myself unfortunately MOST people don't!!

There is always work out there. It might not be what you really want. However some money is better then no money!!

Well Wanda, who should be paying taxes. If the top 10%, and I am not saying I agree with your numbers until you tell me where they come from, are paying 80% of the taxes you seem to believe that is unfair. Ok, so the guy making minimum wage and raising a child should be pumping the taxes in just like the guy making a million huh? That guy making a million doesn't utilize the government right, he pays his way. It's late but maybe tomorrow I'll enter some thoughts on the government resources used by the rich.

I can certainly agree with not spending taxes on those that don't deserve it, but where is the indignation over the millions stole by rich government insiders? Bridges to nowhere and $400 hammers and on and on. You worry about Barak's socialism and don't seem upset that we have just borrowed, off the books even, 600 billion dollars, mostly from China for george Bush's war? who do you think has to pay that back? That is a problem a bit larger than welfare cheating. By the way, which president submitted and passed welfare reform?

You better get used to taxes all right. No matter who wins, Bush is leaving a bill that is due.

Benny

W.B. Rogers says it best in the "Voice of the People" today. I am sick and tired of helping people that are not willing to help themselves. The majority on government programs are able to help themselves however the way the programs are set up they are better off not doing so. I do not want a president that is going to start more programs for people unwilling to better themselves to get off the programs. When someone is getting food stamps and other assistance from the government and they spit out more babies to get more free stuff I have a problem with that. I see people all the time with food stamps at the grocery store and then get into 20-50 thousand dollar cars that makes me furious!!! I feel if you are not willing to help yourself then you should not get any assistance unless you are unable to help yourself.

I don't want the government running my life. They already have to much control as it is. If you want more people abusing the system and getting a free ride then you will vote for Obama. I for one will not be!!!!!!!!

Yeah it is those darn welfare cheats taking your money. How about that great tax hero Ted Stevens (R) Alaska today. Another Republican trying to find a way not to go to jail for stealing millions of tax dollars for cronies that paid him under the table. Did you see what happened top spending during six years of Republicans that passed nothing for welfare? Where do you think the trillion dollars went? Welfare didn't take it? It was running in the black when the thieves took over the budget.

You say you are from the working class and yet you buy the lies of the people that keep you there! Did you ever stop to think that the person with food stamps at the grocery storte may be working a 50 hour week at minimum wage and still qualify for those stamps. Why don't you get angry over employers that buy off politicians to keep the minimum wage below a living wage?

By the way, Bill Clinton passed and signed into law the changes in welfare that no one can be on it for longer than two years.

I'll be voting for Obama because I want the free ride for the rich in this country that steal the tax money and the wages of average Americans to stop. I'll vote for himm because I make less than $250,000 and will get a tax break instead of another to people like the last Republican candidate for Congress in this district that rail against taxes and after he lost, maneuvered the politics to get $3 million dollars of local tax money given to his company. When will the working people of South Carolina learn how they are being fooled?

Benny

who wins because like benny said, the tax bill is coming due thanks to the fact that Bush and the republicans SQUANDERED the surplus.

Your childrens grandchildren will be paying for Iraq, heck, if McCain is elected they just might die there too.

Sick and tired of those welfare recipients? do you contribute to the food banks? Does your church have a soup kitchen. What we see today is just the tip of the iceburg, its gonna get a whole lot worse.

And Wanda, my house, car, and land are all paid for. Yours?

My sentiments exactly! I agree with every word you have so eloquently stated. You are right on target. Thanks for logical answers.

daughter of promise

I don't think many people take Mr. Alarmist Al Gore very seriously anymore -- not since his personal home energy savers actually increased his power usage by 10% this past year -- and since scientists are now saying that the earth is no longer globally warming (never was) but is actually globally cooling -- and since most of his "truth" was a little more than "inconvenient". He's a lot like Chicken Little. The sky is falling.

The same type malarky was hashed over back in the 60's -- only then the libs said our planet was entering into another ice age -- yep - we're supposed to all be in ice and frozen solid by now. So what is Gore's answer to it all? For one, to somehow save the environment, we are supposed to use those squiggly little light bulbs that are full of mercury and manufactured ONLY in China. If you break one, you must dispose of the bio-hazard according to haz-mat standards. Tell me -- how many people are going to follow the rules of proper disposal of the mercury filled glass??

Gore and others like him have allowed China to kill our pets with tainted pet food, sicken our children with tainted toys, and potentially poison us with mercury filled bulbs. Do you have any idea what these newer better bulbs will do to our land fills and to our water supply once the mercury seeps into the rivers and streams? It's not like we will have a choice in the matter, either. Because by the year 2014, the manufacture of incandescent bulbs will cease, and only China will have a monopoly on the maufacture of the bulbs. Now my lampshades won't fit the stupid squiggly things. Pity. Guess I'll have to throw the old ones into the land-fill and add to the pollution in the atmosphere by further supporting the manufacture of more lamp shades. I'm sure there must be something bad for the environment there.

Gore couldn't pass a fifth grade spellng lesson -- and we are supposed to put stock in anything he says?

daughter of promise

The man is a Nobel Prize winner and you think no one takes him seriously. You crack me up. you just keep proving how little you know.

Where do you get your scientist as the Exxon Research Center. You are going to have to expand those horizons a bit beyond DFox News. There really are papers and books out there that are peer reviewed, not Limbaugh reviewed.

Gore let China poison pets! No, the man that stole the election from Gore did that 6 years into his Presidency by gutting every agency that protects us. How in the world do you blame Gore?

You just keep those old bulbs you love so much. Hope you don't go broke paying the extra light bill!

Lastly, once again, Gore is Harvard educated. Brought up in the finest schools. What are your academic credentials since you keep announcing Nobel Prize winners, Harvard scholars and such as being below a fifth grader?

Try to actually read a book instead of chain e-mails.

Benny

That's if you ever had one. Come on now. Did you watch the video? I invite intelligent commentary and debate not:

"and since scientists are now saying that the earth is no longer globally warming (never was) but is actually globally cooling --"

Are these the same "scientists" that decided that intelligent design qualifies as real science? You have to do better than this. Hood, help her out.

Want to find out what Gore's answer is? Go Watch the Video and get off your high horse. Idiotic answers like the one you posted do nothing but show the world what a single issue voter you are.

Ok, look at it this way. What if all those unborn babies got born and came into a world without clean water and air. Actually, this is a REALITY in many parts of the world, right here, right now. Gore is not chicken little. He is doing his best to help even people like you who would love it if the entire world outlawed abortion right now just to satisfy your supposed love of the sanctity of life.

Sanctity of human life that is. Aren't you the gal who was willing to fuel her gas guzzler with fuzzy little kittens if it worked? Oh right, you have dominion over the earth. Get a GRIP!

Now Gore is to blame for those animals you could care less about being poisoned by Chinese pet food? Is this not a reach? Wait, maybe you and Hood could start a no spay, no neuter campaign cause we don't want to stop the reproductive rights and kill their unborn babies!!!!!!!!!!!

Gore couldn't pass a fifth grade spelling lesson? You voted for Bush, probably more than twice and YOU have the nerve to make fun of Gore?

Put on your big girl panties and go watch the video, then come back and make some type of intelligent comment.

Dear God: Stop allowing these people to breed! You, Wanda, out of the Gene pool!

I have seen the video.......and Gore is still full of hooey. He is a politician, through and through, and he says what he thinks the masses want to hear. There is no such thing as global warming. The earth warms itself and cools itself as it has for centuries. It was designed to do just that, and it will continue to warm and cool itself until its designer - GOD - decides otherwise. Just because Al Gore says something does not make it so.

I agree that mankind has polluted the planet -- no doubt about it. We have abused it in many ways and we are paying for the abuse and misuse. We need to clean up our mess -- and we need to use alternative measures to continue to try to live in the lifestyles to which we are accustomed. No one can deny that human beings need clean air and clean water to thrive.

You are right about one thing: I do hold a much higher respect for human life than animal life. For example, I have a little dog that I dearly love -- but if I had to make an emergency choice over whether or not to save the life of my dog or the life of a human being, there would be no hesitation -- I would sacrifice the life of my dog to save the life of a human being (even you).

Of course, I made a joke earlier about fueling the cars with little kittens -- to make a point -- alternative fuels of any kind are welcomed if they work. I would not deliberately cause pain and suffering to any animal, for they are all God's creatures.

As far as spaying and neutering animals --I'm all for it! I'm not a memeber of PETA (unless it stands for People Eating Tasty Animals) but I have no problem whatsoever with preventing the conception of animals, or of humans either, for that matter. It's AFTER the conception of a human being that is the focus of we right to lifers. Once a baby is conceived, it has become a living being -- and is not a glob of cells.

So, I believe in preventing unwanted pregnancies -- not in killing unwanted babies. My own dog is spayed. Heck, it would not bother me if you were spayed either.

** About Gore and the fifth grade spelling bee -- the man did fail it --- on national TV, no less -- and much to the chagrin of the fifth grade class with whom he disgreed about the correct spelling of a word. What an idiot! He has been the butt of many jokes and comedy routines for a very good reason.

I have noticed that you do not mind slinging out insults pretty harshly, but it seems to upset you if someone picks on one of your own kind -- Why is that? Mature adults do not have problems with disagreements. We do not have to think alike to get along in this world. But, we do have to respect one another enough not to injure or insult. Small children throw temper tantrums when they can not have things their way. Adults admit when they are wrong and carry on.

By the way, aren't you the gal who made several WRONG assumptions about me in an earlier post?? I haven't heard anything from you regarding my answers to your accusatory statements. You were wrong on every count. So, it's time to play nicely, now. Snap those drawers up, take a big ole' cleansing breath and go ahead -- admit it -- you were WRONG. (but God loves you anyway)

daughter of promise

Wanda, I stand by my assertion that you are, indeed, a mostly single issue voter who would love to force the rest of America to live by your rules.

You'll get no apology from me, only a vow to you that I will stand up tall for what I know is true (God love everyone, even you, regardless of religion or lack there or and that the Earth has a Spirit) and I will stand against anyone who tries to force their beliefs into laws that invade an American citizens right to privacy and the pursuit of happiness.

Wrong about your daughter of promise stuff? I think not.

What you fear is that you moved here from somewhere else thinking that finally you would be living somewhere where your views would be held by the majority and you are finding out that there are vocal liberals here too who will not stand still and put up with the christianization of our schools and other PUBLIC entities.

So you and others like you discount what Gore has to say simply because you dislike the messenger. If Bush had the brains (which he does not) to even conceive of such things you all would be sitting up like dogs lapping it up.

You are wrong a whole lot of the time and yes, God does still love you but he/she/it likes me better. ;-)

I would sing it to you, but boy do I sing lousy!

You are right on the money!

Benny

Poor, poor En.......you have it all wrong, Boo (that's a term of endearment, so don't get your panties in a wad). Your words indicate that we have many of the same beliefs in common. How can that be??

I do not want to force anyone to do anything. Every human being has a God-given right of free-will. If God does not even force people to do anything, how on earth can I? What I do object to is having your will forced on me -- or on those who have no voice for themselves. Your rights should not infringe on my rights, or the rights of those who can not speak for themselves.

I did not really expect to get an apology from you, for that would be a mature thing to do. Why can you not engage in a healthy banter without blowing a head gasket? Is this the reason that you can not maintain a relationship?

I will not dignify your rant about the "Christianization" of our schools -- you do not have to be a genius to see what has happened to the discipline, lack of respect for authority, and consequently the academic standing in our public schools since Ms. O'hare managed to remove prayer and other Christian principles from the schools. Surely you know that America's schools began in Christian churches across the country. Liberals came along and changed the whole system and look where it got us. It's almost humorous that you used the school as an example since it was liberals who forced their beliefs on the public school system, which was in fact, to start with, a "Christian" entity -- not the other way around.

Regarding Gore's folly -- it truly would not matter who the messenger is -- foolish despair is foolish regardless of who spews it. Remember Y-2K? More liberal hogwash.

Just curious.........Why do you think I moved here from somewhere else? Since you brought it up, I was born and bred in York County. I did move away for about twelve years, but I've been back in this area about 16 years.
So, from where do you hail? See, I do not think that YOU are from this area, but came here expecting to impose your socialist ideology on poor unsuspecting readers.

PS: Nothing that you can say will erase God's promises.

daughter of promise

that you were raised up in York County.

Explains alot, bless your heart.

Me, I am a Yankee with a longer Southern Heritage than just about anyone else here. Too bad, sooooo sad for you.

Bless your heart!

Your arrogance is astounding

....and further perpetrates what most southerners think about northerners -- that they are rude and narrow minded. You have proven both to be true -- at least about you, Enlighten. You declare that you want people to have ultimate "freedom" ......and yet if anyone disagrees with you, they are labeled as racist or ignorant.

Your posts indicate that that the reverse is true -- you come across as a racist individual who thinks that every decision revolves around race or color or your own personal freedoms -- never mind another's personal freedoms. How sad that you can not get beyond that ideology. You do not live on this planet alone.

It's a shame that you have not totally learned the social grace of having polite conversation, including difference of opinion, without feeling that you are being personally attacked -- or don't they teach that sort of thing at PS#whatever?

Incidentally, I am proud of my southern heritage. See, you may be southern by choice -- by I am southern by the grace of God. Put that in your proverbial pipe and smoke it.

daughter of promise

oh well, what's the point?

I am from right here and I can be rude too! Keep reading!

PS

Qouting bumper stickers doesn't make you look real smart!

Benny

I don't have any ------ but I do like to see the creative ones --- of course you do realize that before the slogans or statements were bumper stickers, someone did have to say it or think it first (probably by one of those OLD codgers)

The best one I have recently seen reads "NOBAMA"

I think I'll finally buy a bumper sticker, for the first time in all my driving years -- there's a real message in only one word.

daughter of promise

I am doing the truly Southern thing and ignoring your ignorant self. Honey, be as proud as you want cause I can bet you dollars to donuts that MY Ancestors were here before yours. My ancestors founded more than one county in this state and in NC and VA.

I am proud of my heritage, both north and south, east and west. Me thinks you need to get a pipe and smoke it.

Your slip is showing, bless your heart.

Now I will continue to ignore you but I did not want to be impolite and have you think I was not acknowledging your superior relationship with Jesus.

Pound Salt! Have a goodun.

I was hoping for some stimulating discussion -- I wanted to hear youre reply to Hood about the new slogan!

daughter of promise

One more thought En,

Since you have made an issue of declaring that you have all these rights,

may I ask.......

exactly who has all your wrongs????

daughter of promise

Gee Whiz En -- have you gone back to the north country?

daughter of promise